My 6 months with Comprehensible Japanese

Hi guys, I’ve prepared an update on my six-month Japanese learning journey. It’s the kind of update I really needed when I was starting out—and honestly, I still wish I had something like this from someone more experienced. But I didn’t find it. Most, if not all, updates out there seem to come from people doing things very differently.

First, a quick disclaimer: English is not my native language. I don’t live in an English-speaking country and never have. I learned English at school—which went about as well as you’d expect—but later improved a lot through what people call now “immersion”: lots of podcasts, Netflix, Disney+, Crunchyroll, and most of all, video games.

Additionally, I also learned German using a similar method, but back in the pre-internet era—mostly by watching a lot of German TV. That was a long time ago, and I don’t practice speaking, but I reached a similar level of comprehension as I have in English. I can comfortably watch all kinds of content. So I know from personal experience that pure ALG—Automatic Language Growth—works, and it works without any extra tools.

Back to Japanese. I wanted to follow the same approach, but unfortunately, I came across some popular ideas online that somewhat tainted my process. The method, mostly spread by AJATTers, is quite different from Comprehensible Input. It involves doing a lot of Anki to memorize vocabulary, studying grammar to make incomprehensible content more understandable, and basically brute-forcing your way to comprehension.

There’s also a lot of pushback against this method on YouTube and elsewhere—because, really, how can you “immerse” when you’re basically drowning? A fair point, honestly.

On the other hand, what we’ve been trying to do here, is learning through Comprehensible input. And I did not realize, that this really doesn’t require dedicated vocabulary or grammar study, because (well, obviously) you should be able understand what’s happening on screen without knowing every word.

I’m sharing all this to say: I’ve experimented with a lot of tools, but what I’ve found is that the only thing that truly makes a difference is the number of hours of focused, comprehensible Japanese input.

I’ve been doing around two hours a day for most of the time, but recently I added another hour after quitting all the other stuff I mentioned. Three hours might sound like a lot to some, but even with a full-time job, kids, a house, and a garden—I can manage it.

Typically, I listen to older videos while walking or exercising, and then I watch new videos in the evening—instead of Netflix, anime, or gaming. I usually watch 3–5 new videos, each three times. That takes me about two hours in the evening. Then I listen to the same videos again the next day. I aim for around 100 hours a month, and doing it this way doesn’t interfere with any of my daily responsibilities.

Right now, I’m at around 350 hours of Comprehensible Input. It’s not enough to fully understand native content yet—not even kids’ shows—but each month makes a noticeable difference. I’ve set a reminder to test my comprehension with easier native content once a month.

Oh, and I wanted to mention that Dreaming Spanish has a great roadmap, and it seems to match my progress really well—just multiplied by two. So check it out, to have an idea of what to expect. https://d3usdtf030spqd.cloudfront.net/Language_Learning_Roadmap_by_Dreaming_Spanish.pdf

I’ve tried a lot of different approaches, but in the end, I’m sticking with Comprehensible Japanese—at least for the near future. I’ll add some easier native content when it becomes accessible. And I have started practicing kana. I „learned“ both Hiragana and Katakana seven months ago and almost forgot it in the meantime. So now I practice a bit every day.

So yeah, that’s it. And see you in… what? Six months, hopefully.

Best wishes and stay focused.

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Awesome to hear your progress, and its nice to hear what I can expect after that many hours. I have a couple of questions. Are these 350 hours only from cij? What level of videos are you on atm beginner/intermediate, and how do those levels feel to you? does super beginner actually get to a point where you under everything by this point? Or does it just feel slower and you understand easily all the meaning? How much anki have you done before you stopped? Can’t wait to hear more updates from you, at 3 hours a day I imagine you’ll be progressing fast.

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These hours are all from CIJ. I watch some anime in addition, but not much. I found out that my time is better spent on CIJ, so I stopped watching anime for now. I am now finishing Complete Beginner videos and mixing Beginner videos into my playlists. If you do some math, you can see that I have been repeating quite a lot. There is no need to rush it. Even Complete Beginner videos contain a lot of vocabulary, so there is a lot to learn. There is an analysis of all videos, and if we learn the top 4,295 words, then we’ll know 98% of the words in the Complete Beginner videos. https://cij-analysis.streamlit.app/

I think that I might understand everything from Complete Beginner when I am at the end of Intermediate :smiley:
But new Complete Beginner videos feel easy enough, and I feel comfortable watching them. I am ready for the next step for sure. I do not really think that much about the words in the videos. It’s just that I know what they’re talking about.

Oh, I forgot to mention that I try some podcasts every couple of weeks. They do not have visual cues (obviously), and I think that I am now almost ready to listen to them. Some episodes are quite easy; some are understandable only 20–30%. Depends on the topic. Podcasts are the ultimate test for me.

About Anki, I really did not do much. I started and dropped 4 or 5 decks, always after a couple of weeks when the reviews started to pile up to a level I could not handle. I had this issue that whenever I encountered a word in a video that I had memorized in Anki, I sometimes remembered it like, “Oh, I know this, it meant this and this,” but it was a high-level conscious reaction rather than actual comprehension. For me, learning vocabulary really does not translate well to listening comprehension. It might work for reading, though.

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Oh nice to know thats really interesting.

This is both awesome and terrifying at the same time :sweat_smile: .

Nice to know you can make so much progress still with complete beginner. I was wondering if there’s enough content on CIJ to reach a good level of listening comprehension. But have been planning to listen to each level at least twice before trying to move on. Only at 13 hours so far, so still quite a bit to go as listening to CB twice would be ~84 hours.

I did start an anki deck a few days ago, which was the (audio only) MvJ Kaishi deck. But even though this had the answer as an english description rather than an english key word, I still basicly converted that description into an english word anyway in my head. So it wasn’t feeling right for me. Plus i really just dislike anki, maybe because i’ve brute-forced it too much in the past learning other languages. I will be just doing pure CIJ until its finished. Before listening to anything else.

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Hello, thank you very much for this report. It’s very useful to read about your experience, also thank you about the info on the spanish roadmap for comparison and the link to the statistics (I still needed to check that from the guide).

I’ve just started the process, and I find it very fun so far. Going into a video blind and yet understanding the message and feeling like your brain is feeding on it feels super fun to me haha.

When do you plan to start reading? I very much enjoy reading in english and french (my native language) and so I don’t want to wait too long before I get to try reading beginner novels and manga in Japanese. Still I don’t want to rush it but I’m looking forward to read more that to speak. Anyway, just wanted to get your own thoughts on when you want to start reading ideally.

Merci!

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Hello and thank you for you comment here.

I have actually started reading during last 3-4 weeks. But in a very limited way. I want to focus only on Hiragana and Katakana and do not really think too much about Kanji. For now. The idea is, that I thing that if I will get to some level of listening comprehension, I should be able to also understand what I read if I can pronounce it. Meaning, that being fluent in kana (and Furigana) should open a lot of content for me. Especially kids books and video games. I did read somewhere that Japanese children learn only around 1000 kanji by the end of elementary school. I thought to myself that I can learn them later within maybe 6 months if I focus and if I will already know the meaning from listening comprehension.

So yeah, I play this game called Wagotabi, which is partly in English, but contains dialogs and other stuff in Japanese. I have also finished one short Visual novel with a help of OCR software and I have started Tadoku books. Free Tadoku Books – にほんごたどく

I do this only for maybe an hour a day after I have reached my daily goal of CIJ. CIJ and other comprehensible input is my main focus. And will be for a long long time.

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Thank you for the quick response!

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Hello again :slight_smile:
Re-reading this and I had another question. You mention that the Dreaming Spanish map matches well with your own journey so far, only multiplied by two.
Do you mean that when the map says you’ll need 150 hours to reach a certain level, it took you 300 hours to reach that same level in Japanese? Or that it somehow took you only 75 hours, so half as long as the map says?

I imagine it’s the first case, since we often hear that for westerners, learning chinese or japanese take twice as long as learning another germanic or latin language, however I wanted to ask you just to be sure :slight_smile:

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It is actually written on that roadmap. So yeah, it takes me twice that much hours as it would take English native speaker learning Spanish.

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